[Lopsa-regional-project] hello..

[Esther Filderman]

> > 2) Isn't it a bit presumptious to assume that every group doesnt' have
> > a purpose and/or goal? Or that they must have one?  Or that "figure
> > out what people want before doing it" isn't the most obvious thought
> > on the planet?
> >
>
> No.  It's not.  Please step back from the aggression (at least I'm
> perceiving aggression from you) with regards to your message.  I have
> been working on figuring out this kind of thing with BayLISA for over
> a year now.. and my interactions with other groups.  I can't just jump
> in and say "HEY I'll do this for you".  I have to take a look at what
> is there, and the first question I ask is "What is the goal here" so
> I'm not chasing my tail around.  My time is valuable.  You'll notice..
> I did the same thing with regards to this list/project.  I don't want
> to waste time getting intwined in meta discussions when I can be
> _doing_ something.  I also don't want to be doing something that isn't
> actually needed.  Someone mentioned on irc about this group a few days
> ago.. so I've signed up.  I have tried the "Hi.  I'm here to volunteer
> approach with the international organization before."  It doesn't
> work.

You bet your butt there's aggression. You came on here and on your
first post you said,

"I'd like to point out that within each group that already
exists, the groups need to figure out what their purpose, goals,
direction are.  If they don't have that, then they need to figure it
out, or ask for help."

You didn't say, "In my opinion, I think that groups should set goals."
 You didn't say, "I've found that with BayLisa, this worked for us." 
You walked in and decided for individual groups what they should do.

You want to post your opinion: Have at.

You want to tell my local group what to do?  Get lost.